Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/29/2004 04:12 PM Senate STA

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        CSHB 405(EDU)-SCHOOL PERFORMANCE DESIGNATION/REPORT                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   GARY  STEVENS   announced  CSHB   405(EDU)  to   be  up   for                                                           
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CODY RICE,  staff to  Representative Carl  Gatto, testified  that the                                                           
bill is a clean up measure to ensure  that the state has a designator                                                           
system that is consistent with the  federal system under the No Child                                                           
Left Behind  Act, which  would eliminate the  risk of  losing federal                                                           
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GARY   STEVENS  summarized   that  this  would   simply  bring                                                           
consistency to the system.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICE  said one other  provision may  or may not  be controversial                                                           
and that is the repeal of the "Thick Report."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS stated that she  had a number of questions and                                                           
reservations  about the  bill. To  begin  with she  asked someone  to                                                           
point out where the act dictates  that the state must exactly use the                                                           
federal accountability system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
NEIL   SLOTNICK,   assistant  attorney   general   representing   the                                                           
Department of  Education, explained that  there is not  a requirement                                                           
in the No  Child Left Behind Act  that mandates that the  state adopt                                                           
the terminology found in the federal  law. The reason for the bill is                                                           
to  clear   up  any   confusion  associated   with  using   different                                                           
terminology.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AS 14.03.123, requires an accountability  system with terminology and                                                           
designations   given  to  schools   that  meet   various  levels   of                                                           
accountability.  The state  board  adopted  an accountability  system                                                           
that is consistent  with both No Child Left Behind  and AS 14.03.123,                                                           
but the terminologies  don't mesh. Because people  were already using                                                           
the  federal  terminology,  it  became clear  that  using  the  state                                                           
designator system as well would be too confusing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS  clarified that there are four  labels under state                                                           
law and five labels in No Child  Left Behind so it would be difficult                                                           
to mesh the two.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS further clarified that  there are five labels for Title                                                           
I  and three  labels non-Title  I, but  there aren't  any labels  for                                                           
"distinguished"  or "successful"  designation.  It's  clear that  the                                                           
systems  are  different, but  she  questioned  why they  repealed  AS                                                           
14.03.123 instead of simply adding more labels to the statute.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SLOTNICK replied  the  bill actually  repeals  the statute  then                                                           
rewrites and  readopts AS 14.03.123  keeping the substance  in place,                                                           
but making it  so you can cleanly  mesh No Child Left  Behind and the                                                           
requirements of the  statute. Something that hasn't been  done yet is                                                           
to develop an  accountability system at the district  level, which is                                                           
something that No Child Left Behind  actually requires. That isn't in                                                           
regulation  at this  time and  the board  will have  to address  that                                                           
issue shortly. By  repealing and readopting AS 14.03.123  it makes it                                                           
clear that the Legislature would be in favor of that, he said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS said  she respectfully disagreed because  she saw major                                                           
differences between  the old AS  14.03.123 and  the new 123.  The old                                                           
one had multiple  measures and the  purpose when passed on  SB 36 was                                                           
that you not only look at absolutes  you also look at gross rates and                                                           
dropout  rates.  You weren't  a  successful  school just  because  90                                                           
percent of  the students met  the standards  if half of  them dropped                                                           
out.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In  the  new   section  there  is  nothing   about  "successful"  and                                                           
"distinguished"  designations and  it's  important  to provide  those                                                           
incentives on  the high end  to get  schools to be  more accountable.                                                           
123  is much  more  explicit about  the improvement  plan,  it has  a                                                           
section about  using existing  staff to  try to  help schools  and it                                                           
definitely has a  different take and I don't understand  the take, on                                                           
what the  commissioner can and  can't do. It  was a statute  that was                                                           
fairly well thought  out six years ago. Not that this  one wasn't but                                                           
if it's solely about labels I don't  really have a problem with that,                                                           
but you're  taking away  a statute and  you're replacing,  but you're                                                           
losing a  lot of the  meat of the former  statute. She said  she also                                                           
had other questions about the bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS stated  that  the committee would  meet again  on                                                           
Saturday and  he had no  problem holding the  bill until then  if she                                                           
and Representative Gatto  would get together and go  over the issues.                                                           
He asked Mr. Rice if he agreed with that.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICE replied he was comfortable with the Chair's suggestion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS held CSHB 405(EDU) in committee.                                                                             

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